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Here is this seasons red and yellow card leaderboard so far. Not one arsenal player


John Obi Mikel Chelsea
RED 2 YELLOW 6

Ryan Nelsen Blackburn
RED 2 Yellow 2

Alan Hutton Tottenham
Red 1 Yellow 11

Alan Smith Newcastle
Red 1 Yellow 9

Nigel Reo-Coker Aston V
Red 1 Yellow 8

Ricardo Carvalho Chelsea
Red 1 Yellow 8

Danny Mills Derby
Red 1 Yellow 7

Didier Zokora Tottenham
Red 1 Yellow 7

Michael Essien Chelsea
Red 1 Yellow 7

David Dunn Blackburn
Red 1 Yellow 6

your just jealous that we get away with it & hell yeah how we play football is material....
cant blame you for chelsea being the most boring football team to watch...

Honestly... if you\\\'ve got nothing better to say, please shut your trap! What a load of crap! Wenger has done more for football than u give him credit for. To take away from such a man, is to ignore his massive contribution over the years. Kids grow up wanting to play for Arsenal because of Wenger. Parents are naming their kids Arsene, again because of Wenger!

Let's step back and focus on the issue at hand. Granted Eboue has overstepped the mark and most gooners are repulsed with his histrionics. However, as bad as his tackle was on John Terry, at least he tried to go for the ball and caught Terry's foot as it followed through. Hardly career threatening, especially when you witness Terry's two footed lunge at Fabregas earlier in that match.

Now the tackle from Taylor on Eduardo was a standing tackle that was a foot above the ground (as pics showed) and was sickening because no right minded person can call that a tackle. Good defenders jockey and control their tackles, but rather than think it was intentional, the point is that Brirmingham's team talk (as of many other teams) is to "go in hard". Fine, go in hard and win the tackle, but it gets frustrating when our players get injured and the ball is no where in sight. That is what we gripe about.

To compare what happened to Eduardo to the Nani thing a week before is pure blindness. Gallas and Hoyte took sly kicks at him (definitely not sanctioned by me) but you can hardly call that trying to end his career. Granted, Flamini's tackle was a bit dangerous had it not been executed timely, but at least it was sliding in and not a foot above the ground (since when has any tackle won the ball from such a height?!).

I know Wenger says he "didn't see it", but does that mean that encourages bad behaviour? Of course not. No manager will ever denigrate a player in public, and Arsene is no different. What did Fergie say about Rooney diving for the penalty in Oct 2004 against us? "If you foul in the penalty box then it's a penalty" - hardly damning of a cheating act. In fact, did Fergie EVER criticise Cantona or Keane wjen the red mist fell? Never. So why is it wrong whenm Wenger does it?!

Of all the red cards Arsenal have received, how many have been for dangerous tackles? Probably no more than 5, with no careers ended. How many have been for stupid second yellow cards? About 10-20, with at least 10 more for silly referees with no balls to admit their mistakes afterwards. The remainder have been for retaliation to bad tackles, on which you have not touched.

Its ok to count red cards because its black and white, but one thing Arsenal do is play football. We dont have players who miss drug tests, treat women with disrespect or go around thinking they are bigger than they are. Arsene is not to blame for English football's ills - its the authorities and fans who pander to and tolerate bad football.

A very good summary once again, aaj. Mourinho had bad points as well, but a lot of his nonsense was mind-games and tongue-in-cheek stuff (a but like Fergie's 'eight minutes of injury time at the Emirates again' comment on Saturday). There was not the bitterness and vitriol from him. Strange that nobody has ever asked why the likes of Ferguson and Mourinho got on fairly well despite their on-field rivalry, while both despised Wenger so much?

Aajblue and Blue Jay you must feel like valued contributors given that you've been writing for months and this cretin thinks you are one and the same!!! (He will probably delete this before it appears on the messageboard!)

JoelS, it's nice to hear a gooner's opinion without the arrogant and poisonous reaction that so many here have shown (strange how the same accusation has been directed to Wenger........ following the leader perhaps?)

You are absolutely right when you say that all fans have a natural bias to their club and I include myself wholeheartedly. During Mourinho's reign at the Bridge, we as fans all hung on his every word and believed him to be without doubt the special one, however most fans of other teams seemed to despise him. However, I could understand why that might be even though I didn't agree with it. The problem many other teams fans have with Arsenal is this complete tunnel vision that eminates itself as a blinkered arrogance which tends to lose any respect that others teams fans may have had.

Again, I have to say, as far as I know none of these accusations on this blog have come from Spurs fans. But if you weren't a gooner I have no doubt you'd have little respect for Wenger other than being a good manager.

I don't blame him for everything that's wrong with english football, that would be pure folly, but i do believe he's certainly done it no favours and as MP points out he's in one of the strongest positions to do so.

So swear on your life that you are not a Spurs fan, MP.

Horrible article MP, (I am a gooner of course) but great debate.

Sorry aajblue! Obviously got the pair of you confused as you both talk a lot of sense and are able to put together a reasoned argument without accusing people of being certain supporters and being motivated by jealousy.
Of course this article also references the good football Arsenal play but that balance is ignored as usual. None so blind.... precisely.
JoelS - I have directed anger at the FA and the Premier League many times on here before as well. As I say, there are so many people to blame for the state the game is in, but Wenger is probably the most high-profile and listened to, therefore he is capable of doing as much damage as anyone - and in my opinion has.

Usual bitter twisted drivel from the Middlesex Swamp Dwelling Heebs!

Always in our shadows Mugs!

Hahahahaha bitter Yid mug. That is the worst article i have read. But i suppose you done your job and wound us poor Gooners up. But when we win the title in May we be laughing at you and that tin pot cup you have just won.

EIE

I think we need to step back a little. Arsenal tinted Goggles aj?? We all have our own special way of seeing our own club in gold light and ignoring the faults. MP of course you have touched a nerve with the arsenal faithful. But thats because you went a little too far. You did blame Wenger for everything wrong with football, and you didn't ease off him even when he admitted his comments were wrong and in the heat of the moment. Can you imagine anyone at the FA retracting a statement or a proposed plan without a fight. Direct your anger not at Wenger but at the messes in the English FA for they are the ones who will ruin this beautiful game of ours.

It's true MP, if you criticise Arsenal you must be a Spurs fan because they can't see the wood from the trees. Obviously I'll be branded an Arsenal hater or jealous or bitter, when I've actually praised the football side of Arsenal many times on this site..... Oh well, there's none so blind!!!

By the way MP, I'm aajblue a chelsea fan not bluejay who is a toffee, whom i might add, does talk a lot of sense

Correct as usual, bluejay. Anyone who dares to criticise Wenger is branded a Spurs fan. How tiresome and predictable. I notice none of these angry gooners have actually answered any of the questions posed by the article - probably because they cannot find a realistic excuse for his behaviour.

The comments against Wenger on this blog are not actually from Spurs fans, it's more a case of - if your an arsenal fan you love him because he's brought you success, but if you support any other team, you see through the gooner tinted glasses and see that he's got an appalling attitude and he's got no class whatsoever. Sorry gooners, as much as you love him, everyone else finds him pretty repugnant.

What a load of Tottenham.Utter drivel from one deluded individual.
You have truly shown yourself to be a mug.EIE

You complete and utter cock....eral. Sad bitter cant.

what a twit you are - spouting such BITTER yissish 'ollox - its YOU who should not be able to write such cr @p on here FFS.

You'd give your right arm to have him manage YOUR team you 'kin NJockey.

E I E

What a load of bollocks bitter heeb are we. Would rather have him as gaffer record says it all. 61 and never again.
E.I.E

I didn't even read the article. The title is enough to show me that the writer is a complete mongoloid (no offense to other mongoloid readers).

At first I didn't realise that everything bad that happens in football is Wenger's fault, but now I know for sure that it is. I also now think that Tottenham are a fantastic side who play attractive football and have well adjusted and intelligent fans and are not in the slightest bit shit. And I am almost certain that one day Tottenham might achieve something of merit, like finishing 5th again, just so long as Wenger doesn't destroy football before then.

Looks like someone posted this on an Arsenal board and off they all go. Some cracking insults from the gooners - they must be very proud.

To those regulars who debate sensibly on the issue - bluejay and Graham - it is quite interesting that both of you do not like Wenger but at varying degrees. Irrespective of the great football his team play, I think most people despise him.

As for blaming him for Eduardo's injury, I am not saying it is all his fault. But the low standards of behaviour and violence that his team have set, along with other clubs it should be said, plus the authorities inability to stamp out on them has led to a culture now where these sort of tackles are commonplace. I'm sure you two remember a couple of weeks back when I wrote about lunge tackles that I said someone would get a career-threatening injury soon - we have reached this point now. It is a sad state of affairs and Wenger must accept his role in it.

I'm not a fan of Wenger's by any stretch of the imagination, but to blame him for Eduardo's injury is just taking it too far.
I think he said what he did when feeling emotional and angry. He should be congratulated for withdrawing his comments.
Usually agree with criticism of Wenger but I can't agree with this.

the day wenger decides to call it a day every club country FA fifa uefa goverments and who ever else involved in sports will want to sign him up, and because u write a boring shitty articule doesnt mean shit.

crap article.

You really have hit a gooner nerve here! Gooners, no one is doubting his ability as a manager......what is being doubted is him as a person and the bloke's got no class, he's a whinging arrogant bore, regardless of what he's like as a manager. Typical sanctimonious self promoting gooners......tsk!

You are a complete and utter c@nt. Some filthy northern c@nt snaps one of our players leg and you find it more appropriate, in your desperate attempt to gain more publicity (which you have got)to blame a man who has done more for english football than nearly any other person in the country. Wise of you to blur out your fat mug at the top of the page. C@nt!

cant believe im taking the time to respond to this shite, but you deserve all the stick you get you bitter mug. like to see what would of been said if shrek rooney had been left with his bones sticking through his sock?... typical load of shite written by a bitter twat who cant accept that wenger has the nous not to have to buy success. and as for being his fault for the decline indiscipline.. what a joke. if you kick arsenal they dont fancy the rough and tumble of the english game, but when they kick you back you whinge about petulant arsenal. f@ck all of you.

What a load of old cobblers,just jealousy me thinks.
Wengers the greatest tactician in the game today,it's due to him that our style of play is drooled over by the media every weekend,grow up you mug.
EIE

BRAVO MP!!!! At last someone has said what so many others are thinking. I personally think he's a very good manager, of a very good club, who pllay very good football......the fact is, I can't stand the bloke and I know so many people that agree with this about him. He's arrogant, a terrible loser, bigotted and has very very little class as his poisonous outburst proved yet again.

As you can see from all these angry posts from gooners.....you've really touched a nerve with them MP......well done, deep down they know whatever he's like as a football manager, he come across publicly a pretty vile individual

tut tut mate i hope u feel better now(lol)i would like to thank u for giving all us gooners an even bigger incentive to wanna win the league nice 1 mate

I'll be laughing at you for a lot longer than it took you to type that bitter drivel! EIE

What an absolute prune you are, if he winds you up that much you really ought to get out more rather than writing cringworthy articles like the above. Spurs and bitter by any chance?

You bitter twat. Absoloute load of shite.

i would like to think everybody has an opinion but yours is a complete load of bollocks.

Concentrate on polishing your mickey mouse cup and brush up on your football knowledge. EIE

hahaha, f@cking priceless. This is why you right for an unknown blog mate, you speak absolute shite.

Spot on, Wenger has blinkers on and only see,s what he wants to see..........wanker.

I cannot believe you are actually blaming Wenger for Edwardo's injury. And hey while your at it lets blame Wenger for the fact that Steve G and Fat Frank can't play together, and lets blame him for global warming, and you blurred out face, I bet would have been normal if it wasn't for Wenger.

Very harsh. In fact I'd say what you've written is total inflammatory nonsense.